The Sims 3 Immortal Dynasty Challenge

[LlamaMama]

If one of the Immortals dies by accident before the 8th eats ambrosia, is it Game Over? No Death Flower?

[Pam]

If one of the Immortals dies by accident before the 8th eats ambrosia, is it Game Over? No Death Flower?

Yes.  That is stated in the rules.

[LlamaMama]

Sorry, I looked and looked and couldn't find it. But there it is, right at the end.  

Edit: Me again. My deepest apologies for my questions. But I figure someone else might have the same questions and be too shy to ask.
 
Besides the guitar skill, are there any other skills that have bugged skill opportunities, or are virtually impossible to fulfill?

There's a nectar-making opportunity that resets when you travel again, essentially prohibiting further travel once you do it. Once you've earned ambrosia is it okay to travel and let that opportunity reset?

Which careers are bugged and prevent maxing? There was one you worked on, right Pam?

I'm not sure of terminology, so am checking whether adventure opportunities while traveling count toward unique opportunities.

It sounds like it's necessary to monitor all the immortals so they don't accidentally reach level 10 in another immortal's unique skill. Does it matter once the ambrosia is earned for that skill?

Can you tell I don't like to just jump right in without thinking it through? 

[Twinmum]

It seems like these rules are specifically designed to be different to Pinstar's version.

I think it's great we have our own legacy/dynasty challenge. Carl and Pam have a great site with a forum that is growing daily. I think it's only right we have a challenge that is not borrowed from somewhere else. Who knows, in time when people say they play a legacy, people might ask them which one do you play, Carl's or Pinstar's!
Kudos to Metro and Pam for doing all the hard work of setting rules for us.

Norma

[Pam]

Edit: Me again. My deepest apologies for my questions. But I figure someone else might have the same questions and be too shy to ask.

Never apologize for questions. 

Besides the guitar skill, are there any other skills that have bugged skill opportunities, or are virtually impossible to fulfill?

Not that I'm aware of.  The guitar star challenge can be done, but it's difficult.  It's been found that the best way to achieve it is to only have guitar skill for awhile until you get all the opportunities done to complete that challenge.  If you have other skills, they'll fill up the skill opportunity slot and make the opportunities for guitar more scarce.

There's a nectar-making opportunity that resets when you travel again, essentially prohibiting further travel once you do it. Once you've earned ambrosia is it okay to travel and let that opportunity reset?

I haven't heard of this.  Can you give some more detail?

Which careers are bugged and prevent maxing? There was one you worked on, right Pam?

The one I was working on was the Pervasive Private Eye LTW.  It's not technically bugged, it just takes an incredibly long time to achieve.  It's likely that your Sim will be an elder before achieving that particular Lifetime Wish and you'd have to focus a lot of your attention on that Sim to make it happen, which doesn't necessarily mean it's impossible for the Dynasty challenge.  It would just be very hard to do.  Not an LTW I would recommend, for sure.  The other is the Home Design Hotshot LTW.  I wouldn't touch that one, either.

I'm not sure of terminology, so am checking whether adventure opportunities while traveling count toward unique opportunities.

The rules specify Career, Skill, and Special opportunities.  That means adventures don't count.

It sounds like it's necessary to monitor all the immortals so they don't accidentally reach level 10 in another immortal's unique skill. Does it matter once the ambrosia is earned for that skill?

For example, one immortal has reached level 10 in Painting and has met all other criteria for Ambrosia and has eaten it.  The other immortals may also pursue Painting up to level 10, but it will not count toward their ability to eat Ambrosia.  They'll need to reach level 10 in a different unique skill for it to count.

Can you tell I don't like to just jump right in without thinking it through? 

That's not a bad thing! 

[LlamaMama]

They can undertake, but cannot max out.  They can max out the remaining 7 that aren't maxed out by immortals.

This is why I was confused. Sometimes "max out" refers to reaching the 10th level and sometimes it mean that plus the skill opportunities. Thanks for clearing that up. It may be a source of confusion for others in the future, though.

[Pam]

I think it's great we have our own legacy/dynasty challenge. Carl and Pam have a great site with a forum that is growing daily. I think it's only right we have a challenge that is not borrowed from somewhere else. Who knows, in time when people say they play a legacy, people might ask them which one do you play, Carl's or Pinstar's!
Kudos to Metro and Pam for doing all the hard work of setting rules for us.

Norma

Well, it's not a legacy/dynasty challenge.  It's specifically The Immortal Dynasty Challenge. 

I'm hoping we'll start seeing people talking about dynasty challenges and seeing blogs/stories for this dynasty challenge.  Maybe even see Metro's name connected to it.  That would be very cool!

[Pam]

This is why I was confused. Sometimes "max out" refers to reaching the 10th level and sometimes it mean that plus the skill opportunities. Thanks for clearing that up. It may be a source of confusion for others in the future, though.

I may have contradicted myself with my last post to you.  I need to look and think about it.  Now I'm confused, too!  Lol.

[LlamaMama]

"3. Max a skill not maxed by other immortals. All related skill challenges from the Skill Journal must also be accomplished for the skill."

See how the term "also" makes it sound like max only means 10 levels -- adding to that, the skill challenges.

I can see this happening: "Let go of that plunger and step away from the toilet! That's Handy's job and you're already a 9."

[Pam]

Right.  So that means in order to be able to eat Ambrosia, your immortal has to reach level 10 of a unique skill AND complete all the challenges in the skill journal for that particular skill.  Any other immortal who is working on the same skill cannot go as far as level 10 until the first immortal has eaten Ambrosia.

Does that clear up the confusion?

[LlamaMama]

"Hurry up, Handy, and eat the ambrosia! The toilet's backed up and I need to fix it!"  I think I've got it now.

In fourth grade a teacher told me never to be afraid to ask questions. I have been a source of great annoyance ever since.

I think the term "max out" needs to be clarified in the rules.

[Twinmum]

Right.  So that means in order to be able to eat Ambrosia, your immortal has to reach level 10 of a unique skill AND complete all the challenges in the skill journal for that particular skill.  Any other immortal who is working on the same skill cannot go as far as level 10 until the first immortal has eaten Ambrosia.

Does that clear up the confusion?

Now this is where I was confused. I was under the impression that if immortal 1's unique maxed out skill was say handiness, the other immortals could not max that one out at all, even after the first had eaten ambrosia.

Norma

[LlamaMama]

Depending on what you mean when you say Max Out.

[ClayMask]

There's a nectar-making opportunity that resets when you travel again, essentially prohibiting further travel once you do it.

I've seen this happen with the mix master challenge (make 15 different nectar combinations to be able to predict how good a recipe is).  Once we get this challenge, can we just count it as complete, even if it becomes greyed out later?

[Pam]

Now this is where I was confused. I was under the impression that if immortal 1's unique maxed out skill was say handiness, the other immortals could not max that one out at all, even after the first had eaten ambrosia.

Norma

I think that's my fault from a post I made earlier about being able to undertake, but not max out.  Now I've fooled around and confused myself (which happens more and more at my age, lol)!  Metro will be able to explain it. 

[Twinmum]

I think that's my fault from a post I made earlier about being able to undertake, but not max out.  Now I've fooled around and confused myself (which happens more and more at my age, lol)!  Metro will be able to explain it. 

I confuse myself quite easily too at times lol. I'll wait and see what Metro has to say on the subject then, not that I have to worry about another generation maxing out any skills just yet. Currently, Jackson is just standing around on his land while I look around at potential houses for him and his dynasty.

Norma

[Metropolis Man]

Max out simply means you hit the top of something and cannot possibly go any higher. So, the Ambrosia eating requirement for each immortal to "Max out" a unique skill AND accomplish all of the related skill challenges of that maxed skill means they've hit level 10 (then, the skill bar disappears).

A lot of players seem to be confused with what skills can be maxed, etc depending on what other immortals have accomplished. The most important thing is you have to assess your Dynasty's situation when an immortal is ready to eat Ambrosia. Your Founder has maxed painting, guitar and photography when he's ready to eat Ambrosia. Fine. He's in the clear and will be the easiest because you'll probably only need to think about his offspring and what they've accomplished at the time the Founder is ready to eat Ambrosia to make sure there's no overlap. You would need to choose one of those 3 maxed skills of your Founder as the one to fulfill his requirement to eat Ambrosia. And he would need to accomplish all related skill challenges for that skill as well before eating Ambrosia. So, say he chooses guitar as fulfilling his unique skill requirement. From that moment on all future immortals cannot max guitar. Why? Because the Founder then would no longer have a unique maxed skill if another immortal did the same.

[Twinmum]

So, for the dynasty challenge, maxed out means reaching level 10 of the skill AND complete all the related skill challenges. Sorry if I'm just repeating what you said, but I want to be sure.

[Metropolis Man]

So, for the dynasty challenge, maxed out means reaching level 10 of the skill AND complete all the related skill challenges. Sorry if I'm just repeating what you said, but I want to be sure.

At least when I say "max out" a skill in all forum threads, I'm never implying that the challenges are done as well. I'm only referring to hitting lvl 10 with a skill. But, with the Dynasty you do have that added requirement of the skill challenges tacked on. So, whenever we single out the particular immortal skill that's for the Ambrosia requirement in Dynasty discussion, we can call that a SuperMax skill. 

[curlybennett]

Say your founder chose painting as his skill, and reached level 10 and completed the skill challenges, and a later sim reached level 10 of the painting skill but did not complete the skill challenges, would that be allowed, or can no later sims reach level 10 in that skill?

[Saltypaws]

*Justin Kayes, who is often underachieving as consignment clerk, is YA, single, Genius, Handy, Perceptive, Light Sleeper, and a Computer Whiz. He has the Tinkerer LTW.

Tim Burre - YA, Chess Legend LTW, unemployed and homeless.

Justin Kayes - Just in case
Tim Burre - Timber

Just saw that sorry, had to do that before I forgot.


I just might have to try this one.  I have never done anything like this before and it would be nice to do this in your own time and pace.  Thanks guys.

[Metropolis Man]

Say your founder chose painting as his skill, and reached level 10 and completed the skill challenges, and a later sim reached level 10 of the painting skill but did not complete the skill challenges, would that be allowed, or can no later sims reach level 10 in that skill?

That would not be allowed because you picked painting for your Founder's "SuperMax" skill—the skill for eating Ambrosia (maxing + challenges). Once he maxed that skill as his requirement, no other immortal can max the same skill.

[ClayMask]

Max out simply means you hit the top of something and cannot possibly go any higher. So, the Ambrosia eating requirement for each immortal to "Max out" a unique skill AND accomplish all of the related skill challenges of that maxed skill means they've hit level 10 (then, the skill bar disappears).

A lot of players seem to be confused with what skills can be maxed, etc depending on what other immortals have accomplished. The most important thing is you have to assess your Dynasty's situation when an immortal is ready to eat Ambrosia. Your Founder has maxed painting, guitar and photography when he's ready to eat Ambrosia. Fine. He's in the clear and will be the easiest because you'll probably only need to think about his offspring and what they've accomplished at the time the Founder is ready to eat Ambrosia to make sure there's no overlap. You would need to choose one of those 3 maxed skills of your Founder as the one to fulfill his requirement to eat Ambrosia. And he would need to accomplish all related skill challenges for that skill as well before eating Ambrosia. So, say he chooses guitar as fulfilling his unique skill requirement. From that moment on all future immortals cannot max guitar. Why? Because the Founder then would no longer have a unique maxed skill if another immortal did the same.

They cannot max guitar at all.  They can max photography and painting, but cannot choose them for their supermax skill.  Is this correct?

[Schipperke]

I thought I understood the skill and skill challenge rule, but after reading all the posts since I was last here, I am thoroughly confused.  Metro, you posted above "Your Founder has maxed painting, guitar and photography when he's ready to eat Ambrosia".  In this scenario, either

(a) None of these skills can then be used as other immortals' SuperMax skill (like that term) as they have already been maxed by another immortal.  Or -

(b) Depending on which of these skills your Founder chooses as his SuperMax skill (the one to maximize and to complete all the skill challenges), either of the other skills can be another immortal's SuperMax skill.

I thought (a) was the correct interpretation of the rules, but now I'm not sure.

Please clarify if my understanding is correct.  Each immortal has one SuperMax skill, in which they have completed all 10 skill levels and all skill challenges.  No other immortal may take that particular skill up to level 10.  Right?  Which means, with 8 immortals and 15 skills, that there are 8 skills that can only be fully undertaken by one sim each, and 7 remaining skills that any of the immortals may pursue (which is what I posted above).

[Metropolis Man]

They cannot max guitar at all.  They can max photography and painting, but cannot choose them for their supermax skill.  Is this correct?

Right. The more skills your Founder maxes, the more difficult it will be for future immortals to make choices for their supermax skill, so personally, whenever I get around to doing this challenge, I'll probably make my Founder a one-trick pony, like guitar and go Rock Star career. Then, I'll make his wife a da Vinci/cook and photographer to take care of the Founder's museum requirements.