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Offline mordana666

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Re: Zeus and Hera's Nectar-Making Invitational
« Reply #200 on: January 28, 2010, 06:29:30 AM »
Sorry Pam, but I wasn't trying to discuss recipes, just saying that there is a huge degree of luck involved in this challenge. The optimum price of a players best nectar being one of the factors. There's also a load of other factors, like special seeds for example. Out of the first 12 special seeds I planted, 5 of them were death flowers which proved absolutely useless for this challenge. Another player might only find 3 out of his first 12 are death flowers, and a really lucky player might not get a single one. Also I had a high incidence of money trees, which meant I could afford nectar racks. But I had longer to wait to fill them with good quality nectar because of the low incidence of life fruit.
I think NancyJ has a point when she speculates that different computers might influence the price of any given batch of nectar, regardless of recipe. It will impede some players if they're never able to find a nectar which produces a high simolean return. I apologize if this has breached the protocol of the thread, it was never intended to do so. It was just meant as a discussion about factors which may or may not impede or favour some players final total. Even something as trivial as how often a players nectar machines malfunction compared to anothers is of consideration. At the end of the day, like all challenges, the final total relies on an awful amount of luck as well as good game play.

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Re: Zeus and Hera's Nectar-Making Invitational
« Reply #201 on: January 28, 2010, 07:39:00 AM »
Sorry Pam, but I wasn't trying to discuss recipes, just saying that there is a huge degree of luck involved in this challenge.

I'm getting really tired of these kinds of comments because it comes across as if the entire challenge is a crapshoot. Baloney. What you call luck, I call variety. Yes, there's nothing anyone can do about this processor difference, so why even talk about it? The bigtime skill comes into play in knowing how to work with what the game throws at you at any given minute.

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EDIT: Sorry for rant, mordana. I had just woken up and may have overreacted a bit. Look, the bottom line is writing out a laundry list of all of the variables in any given challenge is like a big wet blanket thrown on top of everything. It's not fun for anyone to read. I know there's lots of variables. You know there's lots of variables. Everyone does.  

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Re: Zeus and Hera's Nectar-Making Invitational
« Reply #202 on: January 28, 2010, 08:02:26 AM »
Some luck is involved, I hope to hit this learning curve fast and even if I hit some bad luck pull out ahead anyway. One time I collected 24 special seeds, 14 were death flowers, 6 were money trees, and the other four were all the same, so I had to go get more for the flame fruit or life fruit (don't remember which). If this happens to you, you should pause the game and ponder what you should to make up the lost time (I am sure it can be done, or at least that I could do it). Time for me to start studying WA!


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Re: Zeus and Hera's Nectar-Making Invitational
« Reply #203 on: January 28, 2010, 08:52:42 AM »
I think things like breaking machines will even out over the course of the challenge unless you choose unlucky or clumsy for your traits ;) I've never had much trouble with the special seeds, maybe it depends where you get them from.
But the nectar recipes is a real issue. For those whose results match information in the guide, they're already set if they take the time to read it. For those whose results vary from that we're already disadvantaged in that the research hasn't already been done for us. I've begun extensive research myself but I've yet to find a recipe that's gets close to going over $600 a bottle. I am working on the assumption that a recipe does exist for my computer that will produce those kind of figured but I could be wrong. If there isn't, then that's tough luck for me I guess but I'm still going to have a go anyway. A base $70 per bottle difference at the start is going to be a huge difference in the long run

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Re: Zeus and Hera's Nectar-Making Invitational
« Reply #204 on: January 28, 2010, 11:05:08 AM »
I would like to try this challenge.  I need to learn a bit more about nectar making first, maybe a test for a few days or something.  I really enjoyed the Perfectly Happy challenge and expect that this one will be just as fun!

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Re: Zeus and Hera's Nectar-Making Invitational
« Reply #205 on: January 28, 2010, 11:13:06 AM »
You're in, Rowan. Testing is always a good idea to get your bearings. As I mentioned above, the game always throws unpredictable stuff at you that will make you think quickly on your feet — nectar machine breakdowns, not finding enough seeds, whatever. But, it's always a good idea to have a general game plan.

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Re: Zeus and Hera's Nectar-Making Invitational
« Reply #206 on: January 28, 2010, 11:20:45 AM »
Metro, I wasn't trying to belittle the challenge in any way, shape or form. Jeez you guys are sensitive on this forum. I'm ready to admit that it takes skill to complete with a decent score, but if what NancyJ says about the top price of a particular recipe varying is true it will be harder for some players than others. That being said I didn't take the challenge to beat anyone, I'm just doing it to compete. I love the Sims3, in fact I've loved all the Sims franchise', and see these challenges as a way of learning about my game - not as a way of comparing it to anyone else's. No game is ever the same, because of the variables. As you say we all know that. Every challenge will favour or disadvantage certain participants, but that's no reason not to take part. Gameplay is a huge factor, and a skilled player will have more chance to even the playing field. I'm beginning to think it's better not to say anything on this forum for fear of upsetting someone.  

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Re: Zeus and Hera's Nectar-Making Invitational
« Reply #207 on: January 28, 2010, 11:27:54 AM »
I'm beginning to think it's better not to say anything on this forum for fear of upsetting someone.

Now, now...don't overreact. I've done enough of that for both of us today, right?  ;) Let's just have fun with this challenge and let the chips fall where they may. If Nancy finds a great recipe and comes out on top, fine. I don't care. I'm just doing these challenges for everyone's entertainment. That's it. It's a game. If something in one of the Tournament challenges is truly unfair, yes, I want to know about it. But, getting into the nuances of how the variables may be luck or not is not enjoyable to me.

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Re: Zeus and Hera's Nectar-Making Invitational
« Reply #208 on: January 28, 2010, 12:21:42 PM »
If Nancy finds a great recipe and comes out on top, fine. I don't care. I'm just doing these challenges for everyone's entertainment. That's it. It's a game.

That seems highly unlikely ;) Quite honestly, if I can find a recipe that gives me $600 a bottle I'll probably stop looking. My 2 next best recipes are still $70 off  that and 1 of them is not possible in this challenge and the other one will be very difficult, if not impossible (and very prone to failure due to bad luck). I'm not trying to find *the best* recipe (although I will probably complete my dataset at some point, even if I find a good recipe before its finished) I'm just trying to find one that will at least give me a fighting chance.

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Re: Zeus and Hera's Nectar-Making Invitational
« Reply #209 on: January 28, 2010, 12:33:15 PM »
Hmm, throwing a hat here, let's see if an uncommon start and gardening plan leads me to victory.... or to having an overpopulation of fruit and crappy nectar on stock >_>

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Re: Zeus and Hera's Nectar-Making Invitational
« Reply #210 on: January 28, 2010, 12:38:26 PM »
Alright, TG. Good luck!

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Re: Zeus and Hera's Nectar-Making Invitational
« Reply #211 on: January 28, 2010, 01:03:08 PM »
I don't know if it's true or not, but it seems like the more of a particular recipe I make the greater the value becomes.  Practice makes perfect?  Or maybe it's just that the quality of my fruit improves which increases the value, I'm sure that's a factor, but I've had perfect fruit for a while so I'm thinking it has more to do with the nectar process.

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Re: Zeus and Hera's Nectar-Making Invitational
« Reply #212 on: January 28, 2010, 01:07:51 PM »
I don't know if it's true or not, but it seems like the more of a particular recipe I make the greater the value becomes.

That would be news to me. I don't think that's the case at all. All things being equal (lvl 10 nectar making and perfect ingredients) your 100th batch of a given recipe should be valued the same as your 1st (no aging, of course).

EDIT: It just occurred to me right after I posted that I remember reading on another forum that at least for painting, the actual number of completed paintings does factor into the value of a painting. So, who knows? Maybe the batch number does factor in. Once Zeus and Hera got rolling I never checked that out because I assumed it didn't matter.

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Re: Zeus and Hera's Nectar-Making Invitational
« Reply #213 on: January 28, 2010, 01:11:27 PM »
That would be news to me. I don't think that's the case at all. All things being equal (lvl 10 nectar making and perfect ingredients) your 100th batch of a given recipe should be valued the same as your 1st (no aging, of course).

If anyone would know if would be you ;) How many batches did you make in the end?! By my reckoning it must have been 200+

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« Reply #214 on: January 28, 2010, 01:16:09 PM »
How many batches did you make in the end?! By my reckoning it must have been 200+

Not sure. I haven't deleted the file yet since I'm working out the kinks for the handiness challenge with Zeus and Hera. I'll check. I can't imagine that revealing that info would be too much information, but I may decide not to provide that info. But, I'll check it out. I'm kind of curious myself.

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EDIT: I got the info. But, I thought about it and if I mentioned how many time Zeus and Hera squished fruit (batch count), then one could approximate how many times per day I sent them to the machines, so my lips are sealed for now. It probably doesn't make any difference, but I'm following my own rules since I honestly don't know if I should disclose the info.

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Re: Zeus and Hera's Nectar-Making Invitational
« Reply #215 on: January 28, 2010, 02:25:38 PM »
Metro, could you confirm or deny the thing about formula getting better the more you make it?. I really doubt this to be TMI, as most people would be mining the same recipe over and over.

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Re: Zeus and Hera's Nectar-Making Invitational
« Reply #216 on: January 28, 2010, 02:33:48 PM »
Metro, could you confirm or deny the thing about formula getting better the more you make it?. I really doubt this to be TMI, as most people would be mining the same recipe over and over.

Sure. I'll have to use Zeus and Hera as they're my only existing characters at the moment. I'll make a batch of the same recipe I did in this event, and see if there's difference in value after a few additional batches.

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Nope. Experience makes no difference in batch value. When I just ran a little test the first batch came out at one value and then the next batch came out at $5 more. But, then the 3rd batch popped out at the same value as the first. So, there's obviously a little "play" involved in final batch value — a very small range where the value will fall into. But, experience, or the times a certain recipe has been made, obviously has 0 impact because I definitely remember the values of the first batches they made in the challenge and the values were no different than what I just saw.

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Re: Zeus and Hera's Nectar-Making Invitational
« Reply #217 on: January 28, 2010, 03:20:18 PM »
BTW, a little off-topic, but the painting thing IS true but it comes with a catch: when making a painting of X size, only the number of paintings of X size you've made in the past count, past paintings made of any other size do not count.
The difference is not overly huge either and often hidden thanks to paint value randomness factor, but noticeable after a few dozen paintings.

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Re: Zeus and Hera's Nectar-Making Invitational
« Reply #218 on: January 28, 2010, 03:28:20 PM »
BTW, a little off-topic, but the painting thing IS true but it comes with a catch: when making a painting of X size, only the number of paintings of X size you've made in the past count, past paintings made of any other size do not count.

I've always suspected that, so thanks for the confirmation. Yeah, when I wrote my recent Visionary walkthrough for the Guide I employed the same technique I've done many times before — always stick to small canvas to knock out the 3 challenges, and then move to the large canvas. When I finally moved to the bigger size, the larger paintings only started at maybe double the value of the smaller ones. Now, it totally makes sense — I probably had finished 50 small paintings at that point and none of that number factored into the large size.

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Re: Zeus and Hera's Nectar-Making Invitational
« Reply #219 on: January 28, 2010, 03:29:08 PM »
arghhh.. I thought I was about ready to jump in to this challenge. Now I'm wondering if I should do just a bit more recipe testing. I probably haven't done near enough.. no big dollar recipes for me yet. I probably should at least find one that will make 3 figures lol

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Re: Zeus and Hera's Nectar-Making Invitational
« Reply #220 on: January 28, 2010, 03:31:20 PM »
arghhh.. I thought I was about ready to jump in to this challenge. Now I'm wondering if I should do just a bit more recipe testing. I probably haven't done near enough.. no big dollar recipes for me yet. I probably should at least find one that will make 3 figures lol

Norma, what do you mean by 3 figures? You can't find any recipe that yields a $100 bottle?

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« Reply #221 on: January 28, 2010, 03:49:08 PM »

Norma, what do you mean by 3 figures? You can't find any recipe that yields a $100 bottle?

yup, exactly. I need to play my test subjects a bit longer to get to good fruit to at least test these recipes. I was mainly testing to find a routine combining gardening and nectar making, but I didn't take the time to go and look for the special fruits. I just had the various recipes from this site and a few other forums, but now I'm thinking I should at least try those recipes on this machine first  lol

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Re: Zeus and Hera's Nectar-Making Invitational
« Reply #222 on: January 28, 2010, 03:51:26 PM »
Metro - Thanks for researching that "practice makes perfect" theory, good to know. :)

Norma - I'm pretty sure that if you read the Nectar Making guide that Carl wrote up you'd find lots of recipes that will give you triple digit batches.

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« Reply #223 on: January 28, 2010, 03:56:52 PM »
yup, exactly. I need to play my test subjects a bit longer to get to good fruit to at least test these recipes.

I pretty much used 2 recipes the entire challenge. 99.9 % of all batches were just 1 recipe. The biggie. And all the info is available for anyone right on the Guide in Carl's article and my article I linked at the beginning of this thread. There may be more valuable recipes out there. I just didn't want to spend forever trying to find out what they were, so I took the lazy man's approach.

But, yeah, Norma, you won't see big ticket batches until you've already maxed nectar-making and are using perfect ingredients.

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Re: Zeus and Hera's Nectar-Making Invitational
« Reply #224 on: January 29, 2010, 03:57:09 PM »
Add me in!

I haven't really done much nectar-making, but I figure that I should probably use World Adventures a bit. Y'know, since I bought it and haven't really played it much.