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Offline SimPoseyYum

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Re: Tournament Finale: The 4 X 4 Golden Opportunity
« Reply #75 on: September 11, 2011, 04:54:31 PM »
To add on to what Nancy has just said, remember that if two Sims happen to do the exact same Op (exact same name), only one of those Sims may claim it as his or her own.  

To illustrate, let's assume Jane and Joe BOTH do Fresh Fish.  Fresh Fish nets a great score for both Sims, so good, it is in both of their Top Four.  Jane received 400 simoleans and Joe earned 200.  You (the player) now have to choose which one (Jane or Joe) will claim Fresh Fish as a Top Op.  In this case, I'd choose Jane.  Since Joe can now not claim Fresh Fish, I'd have him select his 5th highest Op to round out his Top Four.

At least, that's the way I understand the scoring.

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I took the liberty of making a real example of the tally table I did in Reply #58.  Obviously, the numbers are made up but I hope it gets the idea across.  Notice, even though most Sims did more than four Ops, only 4 were scored (the bold ones).  And, in cases where two Sims did the same Op, only the Sim who scored higher got to claim it.  Sim C, for example, would have liked to have claimed Ops 12 and 13, making her individual score higher.  But in each case, she was beat out by her teammates.  Therefore, Sim C earned a slightly lower score, but the team as a whole scored higher.


                                       Days Abroad         lll              llll             llll l             ll
                                                                   (3)           (5)            (6)            (2)

                                                               Sim A        Sim B       Sim C       Sim D

                                         Opp 01               200            300           ---         800
                                         Opp 02               ---            100           ---           ---
                                         Opp 03               ---             ---           ---           500
                                         Opp 04              100             ---          400           ---
                                         Opp 05               ---              ---         600           ---
                                         Opp 06               ---            400           ---           ---
                                         Opp 07               900           ---            ---           ---
                                         Opp 08               ---            700           ---           ---
                                         Opp 09               ---             ---         600           400
                                         Opp 10              600             ---           ---           ---
                                         Opp 11              700             ---           ---           ---
                                         Opp 12               ---            900          600           ---
                                         Opp 13               ---            ---           700           800
                                         Opp 14               ---            200           ---           900
                                         Opp 15               900           ---            ---           ---
                                         Opp 16               ---             ---           800          ---

                                         Totals               3,100       2,100      2,500       3,000




Of course, during the Challenge time period, I'm assuming we'll be able to fit in more than 16 Ops.  i just stopped at 16 in the example because it was enough to make the point.

I hope I haven't overstepped my boundaries by making this example but there always seem to be so many questions around scoring on Challenges.  This is how I plan to organize for this one.  I hope it can be of help to someone else.


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Re: Tournament Finale: The 4 X 4 Golden Opportunity
« Reply #76 on: September 14, 2011, 11:08:00 AM »
This is kind of a stupid question, but since I'm not sure I'll ask.
Do the jobs that you get in particular proffesions count as opportunities?

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Re: Tournament Finale: The 4 X 4 Golden Opportunity
« Reply #77 on: September 14, 2011, 11:44:22 AM »
Here's the way I understand it, Cugi:  If occupies an Opportunity slot on the Star tab (Career, Skill, Special, Travel), it counts as an Opportunity for the Challenge.  If it doesn't show up on the Star tab, I don't think it counts.


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Re: Tournament Finale: The 4 X 4 Golden Opportunity
« Reply #78 on: September 14, 2011, 11:58:34 AM »
I'm not sure if Adventures count -- I was told they didn't for BlackOps. Opportunities that require travel do count, however (deliver a painting, excellent plums, etc.).

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Re: Tournament Finale: The 4 X 4 Golden Opportunity
« Reply #79 on: September 14, 2011, 04:56:55 PM »
Adventures do count.

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Re: Tournament Finale: The 4 X 4 Golden Opportunity
« Reply #80 on: September 14, 2011, 05:32:28 PM »
Great! That changes things a little.

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Re: Tournament Finale: The 4 X 4 Golden Opportunity
« Reply #81 on: September 15, 2011, 01:25:31 AM »
Are build cheats ok?

And just say we have 4 sims in a family we've already made (fresh from CAS) but want to edit them without having to recreate the whole family again in CAS, can we use 'edit in CAS' at the very start of the game, the moment they move in?
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Re: Tournament Finale: The 4 X 4 Golden Opportunity
« Reply #82 on: September 15, 2011, 01:43:25 AM »
Are build cheats ok?

They're covered in the General Challenge Rules, which, incidentally...
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The General Challenge Rules always apply. If applicable, exceptions will be noted below.


And just say we have 4 sims in a family we've already made (fresh from CAS) but want to edit them without having to recreate the whole family again in CAS, can we use 'edit in CAS' at the very start of the game, the moment they move in?

I'd assume Metro's answer would be a firm no. But that's just me.

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Re: Tournament Finale: The 4 X 4 Golden Opportunity
« Reply #83 on: September 15, 2011, 03:08:47 AM »
I just thought I'd better clear that first one up at the very least because, incidentally, the specific challenge rule says:
 
"all content in the game is allowed provided you are not entering a cheat code or using Edit Town." (emphasis added)

Specific challenge rules override general challenge rules, and he didn't say 'except build cheats'.
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Re: Tournament Finale: The 4 X 4 Golden Opportunity
« Reply #84 on: September 15, 2011, 04:05:37 AM »
Ugh. Then I guess we'd better wait for Metro himself to clarify.

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Re: Tournament Finale: The 4 X 4 Golden Opportunity
« Reply #85 on: September 15, 2011, 05:33:16 AM »
Well since we're bugging metro for clarification, I'm pretty sure this will be ok since its not a cheat but it can't hurt to check - we're allowed to kill people right?

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Re: Tournament Finale: The 4 X 4 Golden Opportunity
« Reply #86 on: September 15, 2011, 07:36:27 AM »
Guys, I'll say it again — anything goes in this challenge so long as you're not cheating or opening a cheats panel or messing around in edit town...
 ((emphasis mine))

I don't know if this covers the "building cheats" question because I don't know all the ins and outs of building cheating, but thought it might help until Metro comes along to give the official word.

As a side note, I'd love to get inside the minds of some of you Challengers.  It would never dawn on me to ask some of the questions you ask.  What in the world are you planning???  ;D

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Re: Tournament Finale: The 4 X 4 Golden Opportunity
« Reply #87 on: September 15, 2011, 11:20:17 AM »
Are build cheats ok?

I don't have any problem with the same build cheats that are allowed in the Dynasties.


And just say we have 4 sims in a family we've already made (fresh from CAS) but want to edit them without having to recreate the whole family again in CAS, can we use 'edit in CAS' at the very start of the game, the moment they move in?

No. That means more exceptions to the ruleset.

@NancyJ — as long as you're not using Edit Town or opening the cheats panel, you're fine.

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Re: Tournament Finale: The 4 X 4 Golden Opportunity
« Reply #88 on: September 15, 2011, 11:23:42 AM »
As a side note, I'd love to get inside the minds of some of you Challengers.  It would never dawn on me to ask some of the questions you ask.  What in the world are you planning???  ;D

Muahaha... see again we need an evil grin emoticon ;)

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Re: Tournament Finale: The 4 X 4 Golden Opportunity
« Reply #89 on: September 15, 2011, 04:11:45 PM »
Muahaha... see again we need an evil grin emoticon ;)

Arrrrgh now this is going to bug me for weeks!!!  Must. Think. of Other.  Stuff...  :D

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Re: Tournament Finale: The 4 X 4 Golden Opportunity
« Reply #90 on: October 17, 2011, 10:15:41 AM »
I'm not sure if Adventures count -- I was told they didn't for BlackOps. Opportunities that require travel do count, however (deliver a painting, excellent plums, etc.).

Adventures do count.

Metro, I'm just verifying this info. I'm about to change my plan and want to make sure...

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Re: Tournament Finale: The 4 X 4 Golden Opportunity
« Reply #91 on: October 17, 2011, 10:26:32 AM »
Metro, I'm just verifying this info. I'm about to change my plan and want to make sure...

If you're on vacation and get a phone call for an adventure I'm quite certain that those calls do not fill an opportunity slot. So, they cannot count — they're in a class by themselves. Only bonafide opportunities count. There are plenty of opportunities requiring travel via work and skill ops too — those DO fill an opportunity slot and are fine.

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Re: Tournament Finale: The 4 X 4 Golden Opportunity
« Reply #92 on: October 17, 2011, 04:22:03 PM »
If you're on vacation and get a phone call for an adventure I'm quite certain that those calls do not fill an opportunity slot. So, they cannot count — they're in a class by themselves. Only bonafide opportunities count. There are plenty of opportunities requiring travel via work and skill ops too — those DO fill an opportunity slot and are fine.
Really?  I thought the slots they filled up were opportunity slots for other countries, since they are still in the opportunity tab.  Does this mean that since skill opportunities, work opportunities, and special opportunities fill up different slots, they don't all count?

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Re: Tournament Finale: The 4 X 4 Golden Opportunity
« Reply #93 on: October 17, 2011, 04:38:23 PM »
So just to be clear, only the opportunities that are shown when the picture of the House is selected on the Star panel are allowed?  For example, the Career, Skill, and Special opportunities are scored. 

The Adventures shown when the picture of the Compass is selected, for example, China, Egypt, and France are not scored?

Is this correct?
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Re: Tournament Finale: The 4 X 4 Golden Opportunity
« Reply #94 on: October 17, 2011, 05:04:03 PM »
So just to be clear, only the opportunities that are shown when the picture of the House is selected on the Star panel are allowed?  For example, the Career, Skill, and Special opportunities are scored. 

The Adventures shown when the picture of the Compass is selected, for example, China, Egypt, and France are not scored?

Is this correct?

That's correct. And sorry about the confusion guys. @ClayMask, you're right — World Adventures' Adventures (say that 3 times very fast) DO show up in the ops tab. So you've got Home Ops and Adventures when you click on the star tab and it's just Home Ops that are scored. But, obviously nothing is preventing you from doing an Adventure.

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Re: Tournament Finale: The 4 X 4 Golden Opportunity
« Reply #95 on: October 17, 2011, 06:26:41 PM »
That really sucks. I'm going to have to start over :( I had big plans for some of those adventures.
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Re: Tournament Finale: The 4 X 4 Golden Opportunity
« Reply #96 on: October 18, 2011, 12:55:12 PM »
This was great fun, and I'm very pleased with my score (although I'm sure many people will climb up above it.)

Verity Alger     632,126
Horatio Alger   386,228
Faith Alger     109,628
Manfred Alger   41,800

Total           1,169,782

UPS just dropped off Pets. Bye!

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Re: Tournament Finale: The 4 X 4 Golden Opportunity
« Reply #97 on: October 18, 2011, 01:48:12 PM »
Congrats on being the first on the finale, MarianT! I'm on week 6 day 5, hope to post my score in the next week or so, boss willing.

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Re: Tournament Finale: The 4 X 4 Golden Opportunity
« Reply #98 on: October 19, 2011, 08:16:03 AM »
ClayMask PM'd me with a nasty bug that developed for her AFTER patching up to the most recent patch. It would affect everyone, but I'm not at liberty to say what the patch does at this point because it would zero someone in on what opportunities to go after. :) Anyway, you do NOT have to patch up for this event until further notice.

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Re: Tournament Finale: The 4 X 4 Golden Opportunity
« Reply #99 on: October 19, 2011, 09:09:35 AM »
...and if it's too late? I was a good girl and patched up as soon as it came out.

I think I know what the bug in question is. I haven't played this file since I patched, so I don't know if I have it or not, but if I do, it will require a major re-evaluation of my strategy.