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Undermine charity?
« on: April 04, 2010, 01:57:33 AM »
I'm unfamiliar with the meaning of undermine charity. How do you donate to undermine a charity? I've looked up undermine in the dictionary but I still don't get it. It's been bothering me for ages. Would anyone care to explain?

Now now, I'm not asking how to do it - as in clicking the postbox as an Evil sim, selecting Donate to Undermine Charity, then selecting an amount - I'm asking what's the meaning? How would someone do it in real life?

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Re: Undermine charity?
« Reply #1 on: April 04, 2010, 05:56:47 AM »
Well I am guessing your sim donates to someone who has the power to shut down a charity, maybe they 'bribe' to several people who regularly donate to the good charity, I don't know but thats what I would have thought they mean.

Think of it as in Medieval Terms - They had big walls around castles, if they mined underneath, the base would be weaker, they could use explosives to bring the walll down. Thats how my history teacher described undermining. So undermining must mean to bring something down... Hope this helps you!

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Re: Undermine charity?
« Reply #2 on: April 04, 2010, 06:39:21 AM »
When I was younger, when my mom was mad at me, she use to say "don't undermine my authority", so it also means, to go against......sometimes to find a sentence to use the word in helps. 
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Re: Undermine charity?
« Reply #3 on: April 04, 2010, 07:21:39 AM »
From Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary:
Un`der*mine" (?), v. t.

1. To excavate the earth beneath, or the part of, especially for the purpose of causing to fall or be overthrown; to form a mine under; to sap; as, to undermine a wall.
Example: A vast rock undermined from one end to the other, and a highway running through it. Addison.

2. Fig.: To remove the foundation or support of by clandestine means; to ruin in an underhand way; as, to undermine reputation; to undermine the constitution of the state.
Example: He should be warned who are like to undermine him. Locke.

Me again: That will say the second, figurative meaning: Sabotage
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Re: Undermine charity?
« Reply #4 on: April 04, 2010, 08:19:26 AM »
So... How do you donate to undermine a charity? Could someone apply this to real life give me a real example?

Just say I have this thing called AWS' Earthquake Fund, how would donating benefit evil-doers?

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« Reply #5 on: April 04, 2010, 08:29:22 AM »
It doesn't benefit the evil-doers, but since they're evil, they get a good gutfeeling from it. Maybe to donate money to undermine a charity is that you give money to a counter-organisation that do the opposite of what the charity organisation wants. For example, I know it sounds horrible, but I think this is in the game as something to donate against, to donate against saving wales is that you donate money to an organisation that go out and shoots wales just for fun.

Or maybe you're just not supposed to read so much into this and that it's just a joke from EA's side. If good people donate to charity, then evil people would want to donate in order to sabotage the good people's charity.

An earthquake-fund could also be a fund that funds evil scientists that have earthquake-machines just as well as a fund to help earthquake-victims!
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Re: Undermine charity?
« Reply #6 on: April 04, 2010, 08:41:52 AM »
Ah, my friend just told me what he thinks about the meaning of undermine charity.

It's like this, to undermine a charity is to donate so you look like a good person while actually you're donating to get power in the society. Then later you can backstab them all.

So I'm guessing it's something like buying shares? Heh.

So after funding the AWS' earthquake fund, I'd think you are a good person and won't do anything wrong. Then later if the money is embezzled, I won't suspect you.

That's my interpretation of what my friend has said. It is like digging to get past enemy lines anyway.
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Re: Undermine charity?
« Reply #7 on: April 04, 2010, 08:54:22 AM »
My interpretation is that you fund some supervillain that wants to sabotage the world. Well, they're supposed to be evil!
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Re: Undermine charity?
« Reply #8 on: April 04, 2010, 09:40:18 AM »
Okay maybe think of it like this, your an evil sim, you know who donates to the AWS' Earthquake Fund and so you decide to bribe them by giving them money to not donate? Or you could hire hitmen...

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« Reply #9 on: April 04, 2010, 11:13:16 AM »
Or the money you donate is used to create a scandal that reduces the public's trust in the charity.

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« Reply #10 on: April 04, 2010, 11:20:21 AM »
Or then there's a website saying undermine means put to shame.

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090905153632AAugnlh

So... by donating to AWS' Earthquake Fund you humiliate the fund? Maybe perhaps the money is to out of pity? Gah! Makes little sense... Bothering me...

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« Reply #11 on: April 04, 2010, 12:52:24 PM »
Nothing bad meant to whoever answered that at answers.yahoo, but though it may be an accurate synonym in some cases, it doesn't fit well here. I think the most similar meaning in that "donate to undermine a charity" sense would be to sabotage the charity. Maybe it's a little unclear in how the donation sabotages the charity, but it's certainly a sabotage.

To undermine is usually to sabotage in some sense (except purely literally of course (see above, earlier post by me)).
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Re: Undermine charity?
« Reply #12 on: April 04, 2010, 12:55:23 PM »
Maybe the yahoo answer is right. If an organisation accepts money from criminals and the media discovers it, it's  reputation will get a serious hit. Compare it with the Swiss Bank buying gold from nazi's who stole it from the dead jews.
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Re: Undermine charity?
« Reply #13 on: April 04, 2010, 01:32:39 PM »
This is simple. Your sim must be evil. Click on the mailbox and donate to the charity. If that's what you wanted to know.
Basically its saying it's donating to a charity that will undermine things, or pretty much "bad people" charities.
Like if you donate to the "Bring back the Jewish Holocaust Fund".
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Re: Undermine charity?
« Reply #14 on: April 04, 2010, 02:31:13 PM »
This is simple. Your sim must be evil. Click on the mailbox and donate to the charity. If that's what you wanted to know.
Basically its saying it's donating to a charity that will undermine things, or pretty much "bad people" charities.
Yeah, the question isn't how to do it, since it's just the same as donating to charity when you're good, but what the organisation you donate to actually does to undermine a charity. Any ideas?
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Re: Undermine charity?
« Reply #15 on: April 04, 2010, 03:26:29 PM »
Swede's got it right.  Donating to undermine charity would be to sabotage the charity or to sabotage the works of a charity.  Or to donate to a charity whose purpose is to do ill in the world, which undermines the concept of charity in general.  Look at the actual names of the evil charities in the game.  They are opposite in spirit to the good charities.
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Re: Undermine charity?
« Reply #16 on: April 04, 2010, 04:25:50 PM »
Hmm I guess I misread that, and I'm not quite sure about what they could possibly do, I'm thinking somewhere along the lines of a secret service Sims force, but I have a feeling that I've seen too many spy movies.
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Re: Undermine charity?
« Reply #17 on: April 05, 2010, 03:25:51 AM »
Look at the actual names of the evil charities in the game.  They are opposite in spirit to the good charities.

But the names of the charities are the same when you have a good or a bad sim. The only difference is the word undermine.

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« Reply #18 on: April 05, 2010, 04:00:14 AM »
But the names of the charities are the same when you have a good or a bad sim. The only difference is the word undermine.

Ok, I don't have evil Sims often enough to know they are exactly the same.  But I don't understand where the confusion is coming from.
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Re: Undermine charity?
« Reply #19 on: April 05, 2010, 04:41:52 AM »
The confusion comes from the way to undermine a charity.

A few say it's about sabotage - either through paying money to an opposing party or by bribing people in a charity.
Another says it's about humiliation.
Another says it's about backstabbing.
And another says it's about bribing others to not donate.

So...

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« Reply #20 on: April 05, 2010, 04:59:57 AM »
In all I think everyone is saying - Destroys the Good Charities!  :D

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« Reply #21 on: April 05, 2010, 06:36:43 AM »
Is it just me or is the tone a little arguementative about it?  I feel like the question about what undermine means has been sufficiently answered.  Does the Original Poster feel that all this duscussion is helpful?
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« Reply #22 on: April 05, 2010, 06:44:50 AM »
Personally, I think that the question has been answered very well.  Sounds like it is going in circles.
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Re: Undermine charity?
« Reply #23 on: April 05, 2010, 08:26:05 AM »
Ah, it's just that the thing never made any sense to me. With this topic, I expected an unanimous answer... but since it wasn't, and it had different meanings here and there, it just made more confused and not convinced. Plus, I can't seem to apply the answers to reality... Sure, not all things in Sims are meant to be real, but language is rarely fiction in Sims.

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Re: Undermine charity?
« Reply #24 on: April 05, 2010, 08:33:12 AM »
aws_137, like Pam said, are you clear now on the meaning of "undermine" for the purposes of the game?